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May 01, 2006
Growing Fast and Getting Nowhere
Don Boudreaux
My colleague David Levy, along with his co-author Sandy Peart, have discovered a rather amazing error extending over various editions of Paul Samuelson’s famous textbook, Economics (now in its 18th edition). The following is reported in their paper "The Fragility of a Discipline When a Model has Monopoly Status," in the Review of Austrian Economics, 2006, pp. 125-136.
In the 1970 edition of the textbook a similar graph is displayed, this time showing projected rates of growth for the two countries from 1970 to 2010. As with the graph in the 1961 edition, projected Soviet economic growth is substantially higher than projected U.S. growth. And as with the 1961 graph, U.S. real GNP starts off as twice that of the Soviet Union - but this time, remember, the starting year is 1970, rather than 1960.
A Soviet miracle: its real GNP grew faster than America's real GNP without ever getting closer to America's real GNP.
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Well, Samuelson simply uncritically took over data which were cooked up by the Soviet statistical office (or, better, by the political leadership). This data was of course dreamt up to the extreme, but you see some pressures to "polish" GDP data in the western economies as well - even today.
Posted by: Jaroslav Borovicka | May 1, 2006 11:45:18 AM
Very good point.
Penn World tables actually has the USSR as only 25% GDP per capita for 1960 and 31.5% in 1970. So it did have some stronger growth than the US (as it should considering how much less developed it started out!)
By 1980, it is 40% and by 1989 43%
Maybe by 2005 it would have been 50%.
Not exactly stellar growth considering where they started. Hong Kong went from 23% in 1960 to 35% in 1970 to 57% in 1980 to 82% in 1990!
In any case, what would have made sense would have been to show the past, present and future of both countries and rather than make wild predictions, show patterns and explain the differences between the two systems. But then it would have been reasonable comparative economics - not typical macro models based on big theory, void of all fact.
Posted by: liberty | May 1, 2006 12:04:24 PM
Well, this wasn't just discovered. It's been known for many years that Samuelson was a laughingstock over this.
Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan | May 1, 2006 12:05:01 PM
I don't see the big deal here. So there was a false prediction in economics. You don't say?! :-)
The problem, in this case, is not with his model and methods but rather with the interpretation he would give (asserting far more than he could actually infer from the results) and the way the expectations of the readers would led them to believe more than they were actually told. That, and what Jaroslav noted, that the was no access to credible statistics on the USSR part.
Even contemporary models fail to account for many phenomena. They are simply not complex enough, or smart enough, to allow for credible long-term (multidecade) forecasting.
Samuelson should be chastised for his cavalier attitude towards simple mathematics applied to complex issues, but that's a personal fault, not something required by the methods of mainstream economics--which can be rather modest and prudent--as some Austrians would want to spin it.
Posted by: Gabriel Mihalache | May 1, 2006 12:05:39 PM
I have a copy of the paper and a picture of the big no-no in a nice table:
http://static.flickr.com/50/138370229_8140cc7bdc.jpg
As Patrick Sullivan mentioned, this isn't exactly fresh news. It's just one of those things people should see as a reminder of how not to use data.
Posted by: Swimmy | May 1, 2006 12:19:41 PM
>Samuelson should be chastised for his cavalier attitude towards simple mathematics applied to complex issues, but that's a personal fault, not something required by the methods of mainstream economics
You don't think "mainstream economics" methods would require him to note that the prediction failed for the most recent 10 years? A textbook should be allowed to ignore that, ignore facts and data, and just focus on models and theory??
I sure hope you are in a minority in thinking that.
Posted by: liberty | May 1, 2006 12:23:28 PM
I forgot to mention what all the columns on the table mean. Sorry.
The "Max-Min Overtaking Time" is the number of years it will take the Soviet Union to outpace the U.S. economy under maximum Soviet growth expectations and minimum U.S. expectations. The "Max-Max Overtaking Time" is the same assuming maximum U.S. growth expectations. "Figure Number" is simply its location in the book; it's the very first table in two editions.
But the relevant column is the Starting Ratio. You would think that the book's editors would have caught on after three or four editions.
Posted by: Swimmy | May 1, 2006 12:28:27 PM
Liberty, of course not. Failed hypothesis are just that and we can learn a lot from them. But one falsification is not enough to make most people throw a model away. (Especially in economics :-))
Posted by: Gabriel Mihalache | May 1, 2006 12:42:37 PM
>Failed hypothesis are just that and we can learn a lot from them. But one falsification is not enough to make most people throw a model away. (Especially in economics :-))
Yeah, well this is my problem with mainstread macro. Micro is based on very clear, defined, simple assumptions about behavior that most (non-Marxist) regular people as well as economists can agree on. It is rational and straightforward. It is therefore able to accurately predict outcomes.
On the other hand, most macro economists don't start from such basic assuptions. They build models out of thin air, assume things that are obviously not true such as a zero-sum economy, a fixed point in time or some other no-growth basis, which pretty much assumes away all consequences of any actions, and then when the model is proven wrong, they try to keep it in the spotlight for another few decades, fill some macro-economics textbooks with it, and act surprised as to why it didn't work. Then the economics world proceeds to learn nothing and begin making new models built on the same false assumptions.
Instead, why doesn't the macro world:
a) Start with what really happened - eg the difference between the Soviet system and the US system, or before and after policy changes, and then ask *why* the discrepancy.
b) Build models without the zero-sum assumptions, based on indivdual agents, for example, that use only the same assumptions used in micro about behavior. Then the consequences of policies might be able to occur in the models and outcomes could be accurately predicted.
The latter may have been harder before the age of computers (though Hayek did it), but the former has always been possible, just unpopular in macro-economics.
Posted by: liberty | May 1, 2006 12:58:20 PM
Just out of curiosity, did they have to shoot all the economists in the Soviet Union? Did they simply have none? Or were they considered a cult?
I'm serious -- what were they thinking, economics-wise?
Posted by: johngaltline | May 1, 2006 3:41:37 PM
>Just out of curiosity, did they have to shoot all the economists in the Soviet Union? Did they simply have none? Or were they considered a cult?
No, they just had the same crappy system we have here with macro: people making no-growth assumptions, working within the political system, simply trying to prove what they already know the result has to be to fulfill their ideology.
Most Soviet economists simply worked within the parameters of no-market and party is central command; and worked out how best they could do the accounting - where to spend, what to set prices at, how to work the incentive system. They also were used to try to "prove" that calculation *could* work without markets, essentially without price signals, etc.
There were American and European economists doing the same - like Galbraith or Wootton or lesser known economists of the 30s calculation debate such as Leichter.
Posted by: liberty | May 1, 2006 4:11:09 PM
Does anyone remember THIS Ebenstein skewering of Samuelson (with quotes from Skousen) of a few years ago?:
http://freedomkeys.com/samuelson.htm
Posted by: Rick Gaber | May 2, 2006 8:54:47 AM
Other prominent economists made similar statements even later than Sammie Textbook.
JK Galbraith wrote glowingly, circa 1984, about the bustle of traffic in Moscow, and how they are certain to overtake us.
My guess is that the Kennedy historians will do what they can to shred those works.
There is a wealth of material for someone to expose the agenda of the college econ texts and authors vis-a-vis comparisons to the Soviet economy. Similar to what Robert Conquest detailed, how that 'journalist' at the NY Times basically whitewashed Stalin while he starved 20 million people to death.
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Veteran game show host Bob Barker is stepping down from hosting The Price is Right after 35 years.
Posted by: Kory Conners | Jun 22, 2007 3:02:32 PM
Veteran game show host Bob Barker is stepping down from hosting The Price is Right after 35 years.
Posted by: Kory Conners | Jun 22, 2007 3:03:09 PM
Pioneering screenwriter Nigel Kneale, best known for the Quatermass TV serials and films, dies aged 84.
Posted by: Randall Pitman | Jun 22, 2007 7:29:18 PM
Veteran game show host Bob Barker is stepping down from hosting The Price is Right after 35 years.
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Classical singer Russell Watson postpones his forthcoming UK tour after undergoing brain surgery.
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The Rolling Stones postpone a show in the US to allow singer Sir Mick Jagger time to rest his voice.
Posted by: Emmett Carrion | Jul 5, 2007 5:33:12 AM
The Rolling Stones postpone a show in the US to allow singer Sir Mick Jagger time to rest his voice.
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Microsoft and Peter Jackson postpone the making of a film based on the Halo video game after backers pull out.
Posted by: Jairo Sumpter | Jul 5, 2007 12:48:43 PM
Alec Baldwin asks for his voice to be removed from an "unfair" documentary about Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Posted by: Benito Gregg | Jul 5, 2007 1:49:21 PM
TV host Oprah Winfrey gives audience members $1,000 (£526) each to donate to a charitable cause.
Posted by: Max Crowe | Jul 5, 2007 2:49:54 PM
Record company EMI sign a deal with the estate of crooner Dean Martin to use the singer's likeness.
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Pop trio Atomic Kitten will reform to play a concert in support of jailed Liverpool football fan Michael Shields.
Posted by: Chaz Slade | Jul 5, 2007 4:45:43 PM
The Red Hot Chili Peppers are leading the way at this years MTV Europe music awards with four nominations.
Posted by: Ronan Branch | Jul 5, 2007 4:58:34 PM
Madonna says she may adopt another child from abroad following her proposed adoption of a Malawian boy.
Posted by: Steve Venegas | Jul 5, 2007 4:59:52 PM
Record company EMI sign a deal with the estate of crooner Dean Martin to use the singer's likeness.
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Jonathan Ross is dubbed "risque" by Ofcom but not in breach of rules over an interview with David Cameron.
Posted by: Jaeden Reeves | Jul 5, 2007 5:41:50 PM
Veteran game show host Bob Barker is stepping down from hosting The Price is Right after 35 years.
Posted by: Dimitri Otis | Jul 5, 2007 5:51:33 PM
Veteran game show host Bob Barker is stepping down from hosting The Price is Right after 35 years.
Posted by: Dimitri Otis | Jul 5, 2007 5:51:38 PM
TV host Oprah Winfrey gives audience members $1,000 (£526) each to donate to a charitable cause.
Posted by: Tommy Merrick | Jul 5, 2007 6:01:44 PM
Record company EMI sign a deal with the estate of crooner Dean Martin to use the singer's likeness.
Posted by: Kian Mcdaniel | Jul 5, 2007 6:07:49 PM
William Styron, whose Holocaust novel Sophie's Choice became a film and an opera, has died, aged 81.
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Colombia's vice president is "baffled" by Kate Moss's success following cocaine allegations.
Posted by: Donte Anthony | Jul 5, 2007 6:38:16 PM
The Rolling Stones cancel a gig in Hawaii and postpone other tour dates as Mick Jagger suffers throat troubles.
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Madonna says she may adopt another child from abroad following her proposed adoption of a Malawian boy.
Posted by: Jair Tilley | Jul 5, 2007 7:18:52 PM
Record company EMI sign a deal with the estate of crooner Dean Martin to use the singer's likeness.
Posted by: Nathen Calderon | Jul 5, 2007 7:26:29 PM
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